There is now a growing movement to re-instate the draft and it comes from the liberals who voted out the Republican gangsters in both houses. Since it was Republicans who put Bush in power and Bush then lied the US into Iraq, then the first 500,000 new draftees shouldbe registered Republicans.

 

Gees, I was just pointing out that I understand the inner need to create and why.

The reason we went toIraq is enforcement of UN mandates. Was that a lie? It is provable. There were other motives, some are succeeding, some are failing. We have been there too long.

 

And as much as anything, this little draft rumble is usually the way it starts... a testing of the waters....http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1222-01.htm I say go for it... School, Wealth, No exceptions. Let the pain of losing love ones be feltacross thestratum of society.Re-instating the draftmay be the onlyway ofputting a face on the peoplewhomtoo many US citizens would have the country "Nuke" or otherwise maim and killl.
In the end,re-instating the draftmay be one of the only ways to close the door on mindless pre-emptive attacksagainst other nations done by rich kidswhose only success in life was to be born into powerful political families.
Done properly, within the rule of law, a draft may be the only way for those fat rich kids, as well asthenot too bright poor ones,who are fast to send in the US military, to finally get a taste of what it means to be shot at, as well as the horror of having been involved in the "colateral" killing of thousands of non combatant families.
Geoge W. Bush, like a rock, only dumber.

 

How about females?

I have no problem with a truly fair draft. I still think troop morale will fall. But, that could be your main motive for supporting a draft in the first place. Iseename calling and rehashed talking points in your prose. I can also see we have very little in common. Bye!

 

True. I've long suspected we have little in common, other than our shared humanity. Also, I do find it annoying thatsome herecallouslydiscountthe lives of others, including small Libyan children dying from aids. Hence my little jab at fat rich Republicans making up the 1st 500,000 draftees...

Yet from the tone of this last post by you, maybeif we both acknowledgea humanity which extends to every human on earth,it'spossible we might have a dialogue. I also tend to agree with you that troop morale may fail. It certainly failed in Vietnam. And yes, I wouldn't mind if it fails now and we are forced to leave Iraq, and stop being Israels wagging tail. Yet if all major media, both left and right, convince the public that a national draft is necessary to the survival of the USA, then it will occur. The draft will then evolve into a moral duty and, I strongly suspect, that includes females.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm merely making an observation based on little tidbitswhich now seem to be creeping into major media outlets and carried by both left and right aspects of US society. For example, yesterday a draft morsel was in Common Dreams and today it's in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/op...?th&emc=th

I've long said that no matter what faction is in power, the USA will occupy Irag as long as the M.E is the major world supplier of oil. I'm not at all for that scenario, but realistically, the US invasion of Iraq has upset the applecart in the M.E. Maybe it was done deliberately, maybe it was done because some sort of shadow government ( the so-called, "Illuminatti?" )believes Iraq is the major geo-political lever going into the 21st century... But whatever the reason, the US now has a tiger by the tail. If we let it go, there's hell to pay. If we don't, then we need to builda much larger military force.

Whatever the reason for a continual USA led occupation of Iraq, as it now stands, the US militrary cannot meet that mission without large influx of soldiers. That influx of cannon foddercan only come from are-enacteddraft.Citizen soldiers fought and died against Germany, Italy, and Japan. They did it well, but only because it was considered to be necessary for the survival of the country. I suspect that case is now being laid out by the US media.

That said,it seemsthiscould be thebeginning of a broader propaganda agenda intended tobolster the patriotism needed to sustain aso-called long term war onterror.... i.e., on the ME....In a large part that's because of the extremely influential Israeli lobby who has bought and paid for too many US politicians. Also, I suspect the ultra rich, that 1% who own 40% of the world's wealth, believe such a thing is good for them, therefore good for the world. That bit of nonsense has been in play for many years and now, because ofsuch left and right publications as Fox News andThe New Yorktimes, et al, mostUS citizensbelieve the countryneeds to fight Irael's enemies, such as Irag and Iran, even though they pose no threat toour existence.

 

OK, now we are getting somewhere. Forgive my word use, I have only one advanced degree ( it wasn't in Lit.).

I, for one, don't ever want to see our country at war. It made me sick when we invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq. The news media and our government gave all of us reasons for going to war. While we are not responsible and are mostly incapable of solving social and political problems abroad, I really feel there is more than meets the eye with everything we see going on in the M.E.. You could look at our involvement there as meeting the enemy on their soil, an old an tested military tactic. You could look at our government protecting our economy by protecting energy resources (we could destroy OPEC if we force the issue)and allied governments. It is easy to be cynical since we will never get a real clear picture. I would rather think our intentions are noble. Nobility and war don't fit too well together.

If we are to waste more troupes on a police action, handing out candy and taking and being target practice, they could come from folks stationed in Germany ( I'm for closing ALL our bases there). We could lease land from Iraq or Kuwait and set up a permanent strategic base with nuclear capability to keep the tribes apart. We have trillions investing in defense technology including unmanned air defense that could be used.

What do I know? Not much, other than if the US citizens are not behind whatever actions are taken, all efforts will fail, our credibility will be lost abroad, and more idiots will bring their ideology here with force.

 

Well, in hindsight, I too should have been against going into Afghanistan. But I truly wanted to hunt bin Laden down and kill him. I still do. Yet the Taliban was still talking to CIA and a deal was on the table. Had we taken it, we could have had bin Laden, and the Taliban could have had Afghanistan. That would have been in our national interest. We could have also made a deal with the Taliban to allow wertern oil to build a pipeline through Afghansitan to make Turkministans vast natural gas available to the rest of the world.
But I was adamantly opposed toattacking Iraq's rusting Army and non-existant AF on the whim of PNAC. http://www.newamericancentury.org/We had Saddam contained, UN inspectors were in country and had to be recalled before we invaded. We had no business there, and it angered me that we didn't finish the job in Afghanistan.

 

I have been away but i was just reading what u too have been writing very interesting. I am very tired still right now so i will have to comment on it all later.

 

Sorry about not finishing last nights post, but my computer seemed to go haywire...It seems the keyboard batteries were failing...
Anyway... to finish..... I too strongly feel that the USA should pull out of Germany. Let the Europeans pick up the tab for Bosnia, etc... I felt that way, and had many discussions withclose pals, even while still in the active AF.
I can also agree with you on another important issue... i.e., What do I know? And in my case I can honestly say, "Not much...and the older I get, the more I know that I know nothing.

All I can do is to try my best to stay informed. Since it seems the US media is in some sort of collusion to keep US citiizens uniformed, including CNN who broadcasts 2 separate notions of the news, one to the US and another to the rest of the world, I not only scan US publications, but also try to keep up with good European newspapers.

In the end.... speaking for myself..... I can only try to never lie, particularly to myself.... And even though I revell in being an avowed agnostic,and understanding that it's beyond my reach, still trying to live within the philosophy ofSiddhartha Gotama, which is to say within the basictenets ascribed to Jesus,seems to also help enormously.

 

I look forward to reading your comments.
Seasons greetings and best wishes,
charlie munn