If the USA remains in Iraq it will soon be forced to rapidly increase active military personal. That means the draft needs to be re-activated. ASAP!

Don't count on the Democrats to get us out of Bush'es mess in Iraq. They'll do a lot of jawboning, but in the end, they're merely a faction of the one big Corporate Party. Democrats, like Republicans, know if the USA loses Iraq, it also loses the Middle East. In the process, it also loses much of its status and is hugely diminished as the one and only super power.

We all know the USA is hugely dependant upon ME oil. I also strongly suspect that most here realize that Iraq is a massive geo-political lever. That is, because of Iraq's geological location, which includes the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, whomever controls Iraq, controls the ME. While a stable oil source is of paramount importance to the USA, and the entire world, the waters of the Tigris and Eurphrates and other Iraqi rivers are also equally important to the remainder of the Middle East. http://starryskies.com/articles/2003/03/iraq.html

It now seems most likely that those under the magic age of say, 30 years, need to get their wills in order and prepare for the not so grand Iraqi/Middle East adventure.... Oh, yes, less we forget... Afghanistan also seems to be rapidly slipping back into the hands of the Taliban... Big Oil, hence the US government, can't allow that to happen because Big Oil/USA needs to build a pipeline across Afghanistan in order to pump Turkministan's oil into India and Pakistan...... http://starryskies.com/articles/2003/03/iraq.html

Yep, it does seem the old Chinese curse has come true... and we are indeed living in interesting times.....

 

I am so fed up with this Nuke'em now ask questions later! Scared the Japanesse into submission didnt it?

 

Yes, the 3 nukes dropped on Japan did scare them into submission. And there probably are thousands of good ol' boys who'd nuke Iran, or even the whole of the Middle East... merely because the ME won't bend to our will... Hell, I can't count how many times I heard that when I was in the USAF... They are mostly ignorant bumkins, but some of them are well educated, so go figure! I guess that sort of sociopathic person will always be there to egg humankind into a self destructive mode...

Still, even though Bush seems to be made in that bumkin/good ol' boy pattern, I strongly suspect his puppet masters won't let him nuke Iran or anywhere else in the Middle East that has huge oil deposits.... It's much easier to have Bush draft all of the good ol boys, and even those who were totally against going into Iraq in the first place... than to blow up all of that black gold....

 

Well i consider myself well educated and understand what we woul dbe getting into if we (he) decided to do this. Short term it maybe a bad thing but i think that it might be one of the only choices left but i guess we could just carpet bomb like pre-atomic days. I just bugs me when i see the news about people younger than me getting killed over there and i dont see much of an outcome. Not even the cold hearted way of looking for it to lower gas prices.

 

Carpet bombing was also done in Vietnam, and that was not pre nuclear bomb days.... Many times I flew over villages and people who were just trying to make a living. We flew in non pressurized aircraft. Our maximun altitude was 10,000 feet, but mostly we flew much lower. I'd often fly over the same area the next day, and in place of an active village and its people, there was nothing but scorched earth.... All of those children, and mothers and fathers and grand parents.... varporized by tons of bombs dropped from 40,000 feet by B52's which were designed to drop nuclear weapons on the USSR and China....

So I can see where you're coming from, that is, death is death... But Wrong is Wrong... Arogance is Wrong. Who are we to go into another country and kill its people? let alone its non combatants. They didn't ask the USA to come to their country and stick our noses in their civil war... In fact it's against international law for a country to interfer in a civil war... Yet we did it in Vietnam.... and Geeeez, Bush and his neo nuts are not only interfering in Iraq's civil war... The damned idiots created it!

Now we have people such as yourself... who always sounded so reasonable... now wanting to nuke them! Well, go ahead and nuke them. But remember, the USA is not the only nuclear power.... Nuke them and expect to be nuked in return, and for the rest of this century... and the USA will retaliate..... What utter madness such mad thoughts bring....

 

I know i just get fed up its not like i am cold hearted i just remember sitting in my computer programming class when i was a senior in high school in march 03 thinking casue we were all talking about it Vietnam II here we come. And i was right. Bush gets term two cause of gay marriage and stem-cell research. Things that the gov't has no business in!

No matter what i think this is going to make vietnam look like a cake walk exect i hope there is less loss of life!

 

Yeah, unfortunately you're most probably right.. The USA intends to have a military presence there at least until the oil wells run dry. Else why build those 16 permanant bases? So far it seems a good possibility that nearly 100,000 Iraqi non combatants have been killed or otherwised died as a direct result of the US invasion of Iraq, as well as over 3000 US military and who knows how many others have been maimed ... And all of those Democrats who voted alone with Bush's neo nutty Senators and Representatives to invade Iraq also have a hell of a lot to answer for...

As for myself.... I was recalled from the USAF reserves in 1962.. I stayed in because I liked flying around the world.... But I said it then, and I still believe it.... The true US hero s during the Vietnam era were those who went to jail rather than fight in an illegal war...I strongly suspect it's still true today... And as the occupation of Iraq continues, and the draft is re-instated, more and more will choose to go to jail, or move to another country..... And I salute them...

 

The draft would definately be the wrong answer these days just as it was back in the day. If we go in with the truely right reasons, get the job done and be out, it's no problem. But when you build a web of lies, deceptions, back-stabbing, under the table deals, and the likes, it complicates things to the point to where not only is the government trying to make the wrong reason look right, but trying to cover up all the mess it created and hope no one in it's camp get fed up and spill the beans.
The draft. Even though I am currently serving in the military, I think the draft is not a process that represent or should represent a country that go around the world preaching freedom, personal liberties, and the likes. But if you join the military you go to jail. Sounds like something that belongs in the Saddam regime. Hell, might as well let him go if we are going to follow his foot steps. Yet, without the right amount of forces, a war can't be won. But I don't think this is our war. Look at the history of Iraq, for example. Those three group of people in that country that are on the verge of an all out civil war have really never got along for hundreds of years. Of course a dictator can't be having civil uprest in his country so he usually make sure it's relatively quiet even if it isn't exactly the right means of doing it. Take him out the picture. Fine and dandy, Now you daling with another problem. You have the US forces, who isn't very well liked across the ME for various reasons, a foreign country of all things, coming in and telling how things should be and how things should be run. Would the US ever allow another country to do that on this soil? I serious doubt it so why should we do it to other countries? Imagine if Europe interfered in our civil war in the 1800s and telling us how to do things? I don't think either side would appreciate that too much. So then the shock of the US dies down a little. So who should rule? Which of the three groups should rule? Who should we endorse? The Shiites, Kurds, or how about the sunni? A civil war became unavoidable as soon as the US stepped foot on the ground and removed Saddam from power. I guess it came down to choosing the less of two evils. And Saddam was veiwed as the greater one. So I guess the question is how will we clean up this mess without losing supreme ruler of the world *cough* I mean super power status? I seriously think there is a deep scandal or huge error that the GOP is trying to cover up to save face and oil investments without the American people getting wise. Too late. I think the Democrats may probe a little just in spite until the get a nice cut from the war profits and then we can watch all discussions of leaving Iraq fade into the back of the news paper.

But are image is so messed up with this war it will take a while to get it back if we will ever get it back. This war have really exposed the weakness and greed and pig headedness of this countries strategic leaders to the point that countries that in the past wouldn't have even dared to even disagree with us are now saying "I'ma build a nuke and what are you going to do about it? Invade? Ha!" Sure we can drop a nuke or two thre or four or turn it into a parking lot with carpet bombing but unfortunately, this isn't the old days and this counrty is still ME oil dependent and isn't the sole supplier of everything so we are losing the big bad USA bully status. Now we are being put into a position that we must negociate things that we normally wouldn't have and of course we all know the GOP is no good at negociations beyond "do it or else." We used to be able to do sanctions without thinking twice. Now we do sanctions, they laugh and go to China.

 

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