Ive just read the post below and I have to say in the UK even after the July bombings we do not have racist attitudes toward muslims. A few extremists muslims do not represent the view of all muslims. Yes muslim values need modernising.
Lugnuts comments in the post below can only describe the attitude Americans have towards muslims.

I think the difference between the UK and US is that here in the UK we are trying to make links with the Muslim community and find out why this happened, what went wrong, who influenced them etc. where as in ‘Gun culture’ America the attitude is lets wage war on muslims. America has a very poor history of race relations take the LA riots, Americas corrupt cops (known for being racist worldwide), county folk who hate blacks etc. Here in the uk we do not and are very proud of that. I can drive into any neighbour hood here in the UK and I know I will not get my head blown off for being white or black where as in the US you cant do that.

Our government makes moral decisions and not decisions based on profit or oil. Why don’t you do some reading into George bush’s background. Oil interest etc and close links with the Bin Laden family. Did you know that shortly after the 9/11 attacks when the flight ban was introduced, members of the bin laden family was flown into the US by the CIA!! What about the Taliban government in 1998 they visited the whitehouse over talks of a deal on a oil pipeline….the talks failed and funnily enough the US went to war with the Taliban a few years later and now the oil pipeline has been built (by the US).

I urge any of you to visit the uk and look at our cultural mix. People from difference backgrounds, religions practices all living and working together. 50% of London is non whites. Whites and non whites are living and working together happily.

 

Muslims have more rights in the USA than they do in the UK. For that matter, they have more rights in America than anywhere else in the world. America can't deport or detain Muslims who spew hate and condone and encourage violence against the innocent like Britain can. Muslims have a right to free speech, as do all Americans. Here, we have to wait for them to break one of our laws. In the UK, you don't. You don't have the moral high ground.

The rest of what you said is a familiar crock of crap and not worthy of a response.

 

I have to agree with your comments about America answer to problems like 9/11 is to wage war, we have always been a waring country. However it was due to England not wanting the colonies to become a free and stand alone country. Your country did the same to India, South Africa etc. Colony occupation was the Bristish way of life. Also, Britian invented the art of modern warfare, which today is useless against terrorist. One thing I will stay England never approved of slavery and their blockcade's of the African coast hundreds of years ago saved many Africans from the torture of Slavery. I bet most Americans don't know that our Constitution allowied slavery. It wasn't until Lincoln abolished that section of the Constitution under a power granted by the document and only used once, by him to delete a constitutional provision that was unfair or dangerous to life and happiness and for the good of the United States and not have it voted by state votes.

As far as the bind Laden family flying to America, this is a known fact. They are citizens of Saudi Arabia and theya re are friends, until the oil runs out. As far as Iraq goes, Bush and his gang invaded Iraq not so much to get Saddam, but to get control of the oil. Interestingly enough Iraq outsmarted us and burned most of the fields before the second war. They did the same thing in the Gulf War, Our government does not learn by it mistakes. Now Iraq has turned into a genocidal society and American soldiers are dying or mained IMHO for nothing. Saddam was a a murderer, but at least there was some order to the country,

As far as Islam and muslins ar concerned. Islam is perhaps the purist religion, as it is a total commitment to God and his word. But as in other religions, practictioners turn their religion around for their own purpose. The crusades are a perfect example of misguided Chistians, they weren't looking for the Holy Grail, the Crusades were to wipe our Islam as it was becoming too powerful for the Christian's. Big surpise however the Crusades were a complete failure, and again many innocent people died for some misguided beliefs. As Islam followers are totally committed to their religion and Allah, who by the way is the same God of Christians, and Jesus Christ is considered by Islam to be a prophet of God. There is only one God, the God of Abraham who Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship.

All people should have the choice of life, liberty etc. However the USA has a poor track record on personal freedom, very poor. If anyone doesn't like or agree with me, that is fine, as I have a constitional right to free speech.

 

Lugnut - Muslims have the same rights in the USA as anywhere else including the UK. In the uk we see everyone as equals i.e. Jewish, Christians, Hindus, Muslims etc. Some religions should not be viewed as having more rights than others, everyone is created equal. You should not aim hatred against all muslims just because a small minority decide to twist their religion into war against others. Everyone in the uk inc Muslims have a right to free speech. The difference here in the uk is since the july bombings new laws are being drafted to stop people from inciting violence/terrorism. This is not just aimed at Muslims but to all religions and is not aimed at stopping free speech but to cap down on inciting violence. Read educate and learn lugnut. You sound like a familiar piece racist KKK trash.

C280wizzard (alan) – I agree with your comments. America needs to come out of the 19th century and see all people (all colours) and all religions as equal. Maybe follow the UK or Europe as an example. This might explain why so many countries are against the US as the bully boy tactics is not doing them any favours.

Global warming that is another subject totally. I can see America hitting a wall. Gas guzzling culture + high demand for oil + shortage of supply of oil + American government arrogance = a recipe for disaster….watch this space. Here in Europe we are taking all these seriously (cut emissions & fuel consumption, have other alternative means) and your guys have got to learn that sleeping with Saudi Arabia will not solve your problems. Sooner or later the Saudi’s will change their mind and then what……. Option to invade the Middle East is not even an option….it will not be accepted by Europe and Asia. Remember this is why the japs did this in pearl harbour and look what happened then.

 

Comparing one Western religion to another is like deciding what kind of cake to bake in your Easy Bake Oven. It's all a bunch of superstitious mumbo-jumbo forged on the backs of ignorant troglodytes. All of it should be relegated to the dustbin of history along with the rest of flat-earth society.

 

i dont know how he is saying that the UK treats everyone equally, when they are openly racially profiling...

mind you i am NOT critisizing the UK...

 

I sure like people who think they what America is and who Americans are. The instant there is a disagreement, the racist language appears. How easy and sad.

The crucades were about pushing the muslims out of europe. Power and control of land, protection of resources by the lords and kings was the political intent and religion was the binder that made that possible. Notice that for centuries, Bavaria, France, the Nordic countries and Italy stayed mostly homogenious. The political will excersized during the crusades and other conflicts, made that possible. Was that wrong? Why is self preservation wrong? By the way, what do Athiests stand for, or stand with? Communisium?

I was raised in a white community in the 1960's in southern California. I attended a mixed race private christian school. I never looked at skin color (ethnicity) as something to be concerned about. I did learn that social status was an issue. The haves and have-nots will always be in conflict. Racism has never been a part of my personal life or that of my peers. Why then is it always used as reason to hate ME and my social status.

Many societies have tried to even out the social classes through social engineering. Always to fail. Socialistic programs have some validity, for those who really need a helping hand. These systems breed corruption and laziness, further dividing people. Go ahead argue with that. I am waiting...

Lugnut is not spewing hate. That would be too easy. I believe he is (like me) tired of simple minded knee jerk reactions to the USA's use of force to preserve OUR culture. We are also tired of funding corrupt social programs and listening to people who hate us for protecting our interests. The federal government is mandated to protect our economic interests. How they do that is worthy of debate, but they will protect us regardless. Thoughout time all cultures, tribes, states and countries have fought to protect natural resources, acquire new ones and use that power to promote the culture. History is worth studying.

 

America is responsible for everything bad in the world, including global warming. The UK and Muslims are responsible for everything good and holy in the world. If you believe that, you're a twit.

 

I am no twit. I have met a few.

 

I agree you're no twit. But, you need to look at the bottom right of the posts. It shows there to whom we direct our response.

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