Knock in upper engine 1982 300D
#1
Knock in upper engine 1982 300D
I am a diesel noob. I work on my own cars but this is my first diesel.
I got this 300D for 360 bucks plus I had to rent a trailer to bring it home. The car starts just fine, runs and drives, I had it out on the interstate -- it has plenty of power and does not smoke.
What it does have is a knock, somewhere in cyl #1, upper part.
I did most of the "easy stuff" like air cleaner mounts, blowby drain tube, moved the injectors around, replaced motor mounts and engine shocks, did the timing chain stretch key, valve adjustment, new spring for the chain tensioner, compression test.
The most recent thing I did was took the vacuum pump off and started it for a few seconds without, the knock is still there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXS6iyfgvSw
You can hear the knock over the valve clatter.
Using the stethoscope, the best I can do is "upper part of the engine, cyl #1".
WHats next? Head? What am I looking for if I am taking the head off?
I got this 300D for 360 bucks plus I had to rent a trailer to bring it home. The car starts just fine, runs and drives, I had it out on the interstate -- it has plenty of power and does not smoke.
What it does have is a knock, somewhere in cyl #1, upper part.
I did most of the "easy stuff" like air cleaner mounts, blowby drain tube, moved the injectors around, replaced motor mounts and engine shocks, did the timing chain stretch key, valve adjustment, new spring for the chain tensioner, compression test.
The most recent thing I did was took the vacuum pump off and started it for a few seconds without, the knock is still there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXS6iyfgvSw
You can hear the knock over the valve clatter.
Using the stethoscope, the best I can do is "upper part of the engine, cyl #1".
WHats next? Head? What am I looking for if I am taking the head off?
#2
Sounds like a rod or wrist pin. First thing is first though have you made sure the prechamber is in tact. It is very hard to single out the noise at least for me listening to it on the computer. I think you should take the pan off and check the rods.
Last edited by Unknownfl09; 01-27-2010 at 02:05 PM.
#5
The bang is very very rhythmic, and is exactly every 1 cam turn or 1/2 crank turn.
#6
What Lies Beneath...
Today I took the oil pan off. At the bottom of the pan, I almost missed them, there were several small *****, like from a ball bearing. I recovered 9 of them, there werent more than a dozen or so probably.
The ***** are 0.155" in size (about 4mm).
No hint of other debris.
Since the knock was coming from #1, is it save to assume that the rod bearing in #1 needs to be replaced?
The ***** are 0.155" in size (about 4mm).
No hint of other debris.
Since the knock was coming from #1, is it save to assume that the rod bearing in #1 needs to be replaced?
#7
Rod bearings are not ball bearings. This is what rod bearings look like http://include.ebaystatic.com/v4js/e...en_US_AUTOS.js
I don't know enough about these engines either to tell you what has ball bearings. Could possible be the turbo but I doubt it has ball bearings either. Maybe the oil pump. Grab the rod ends and shake them to see if there is play up and down. You may have some play side to side which is ok.
I don't know enough about these engines either to tell you what has ball bearings. Could possible be the turbo but I doubt it has ball bearings either. Maybe the oil pump. Grab the rod ends and shake them to see if there is play up and down. You may have some play side to side which is ok.
#10
Hello, As I understand the conversation, Your pan is off, but your head is not. To my amazement you have found loose ball bearings in the pan. MM, I happen to have the mate to your engine literally hanging in my shop with gravel inside the broken oil pan. No loose ball bearings, just gravel. I have not pulled it apart yet but you have my attention. I speculate that you may have a roller chain tensioner in yours. The word is speculate. Anyone that has done a complete rebuild know?
How was your oil pressure? Engine Knocks can be tough to find. I would bet you have a loose wrist pin issue. However I have rebuilt a lot of engines and one thing that has saved lots of grief is , checking your bearings and clearances now the pan is off.
Plastiguage is cheap, easy to use and will eliminate a combined knock that is both wrist pin and con rod related.
How was your oil pressure? Engine Knocks can be tough to find. I would bet you have a loose wrist pin issue. However I have rebuilt a lot of engines and one thing that has saved lots of grief is , checking your bearings and clearances now the pan is off.
Plastiguage is cheap, easy to use and will eliminate a combined knock that is both wrist pin and con rod related.
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