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K&N v OEM Paper
#1
01-07-2006, 08:37 PM
K&N v OEM Paper
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Tell me people.
If you have a v6 c320, requiring 2 elements. Would you choose for the dealer to fit OEM Paper on the next service
or - get K&N panel filters.
People keep on posting about the air flow sensor getting contaminated, I spoke to K&N in the UK and also got an email form them, however they basically said it has not actually been known to cause problems with the Meecedes - HOWEVER - not specifically tested on the v6 engines.. (sounds like a cop out to me)
What do you think??
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Tell me people.
If you have a v6 c320, requiring 2 elements. Would you choose for the dealer to fit OEM Paper on the next service
or - get K&N panel filters.
People keep on posting about the air flow sensor getting contaminated, I spoke to K&N in the UK and also got an email form them, however they basically said it has not actually been known to cause problems with the Meecedes - HOWEVER - not specifically tested on the v6 engines.. (sounds like a cop out to me)
What do you think??
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#3
01-08-2006, 03:41 AM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
Save yourself some grief (and possibly some extra cash as well)
Stick with the stock filter.
I have seen so many MAS Airflow Sensors crapped out because of "over" oiling them.
Let's be real..... If the engineers at Mercedes Benz could have gained extra HP just by changing an Air Filter, don't you think they would have already done it?
Hope this helps
Stick with the stock filter.
I have seen so many MAS Airflow Sensors crapped out because of "over" oiling them.
Let's be real..... If the engineers at Mercedes Benz could have gained extra HP just by changing an Air Filter, don't you think they would have already done it?
Hope this helps
#4
01-08-2006, 04:23 AM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
[sm=bicker.gif]Forbidden topics:
Synthetic vs organic engine oil
Turbo vs Supercharge
K&N air filter vs paper
Oil or gas additives
These topics never have a resolution. Equally intelligent and factual arguments are always presented on both sides.
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#5
01-08-2006, 12:25 PM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
Let's be real..... If the engineers at Mercedes Benz could have gained extra HP just by changing an Air Filter, don't you think they would have already done it?
Internal combustion engines are essentially air pumps. When you restrict air input (or output) as the MB engineers do, you restrict efficiency. When you eliminate restrictions, you increase hp. Yes, it's that simple.
If you understand what's behind the K&N design (it's not rocket science) then you should be able to figure out whether you should use one or not. For example, I wouldn't get one if you live three miles down a dusty dirt road. Neither would I cruise at 90 mph on a rainy day with one.
Another consideration is cost. It takes awhile, but the K&N will eventually cost less than replacing paper filters.
Whether or not you get one should be based on personal preference, not scare tactics by people who obviously don't know what they're talking about and are simply echoing something "determined" in an Internet forum. To get the max effect, however, you need to remove other restrictions in the airflow stream.
Be real. Use your head. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
#6
01-09-2006, 09:36 PM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
ORIGINAL: PBI 2001 C320
Tell me people.
If you have a v6 c320, requiring 2 elements. Would you choose for the dealer to fit OEM Paper on the next service
or - get K&N panel filters.
People keep on posting about the air flow sensor getting contaminated, I spoke to K&N in the UK and also got an email form them, however they basically said it has not actually been known to cause problems with the Meecedes - HOWEVER - not specifically tested on the v6 engines.. (sounds like a cop out to me)
What do you think??
[IMG]local://upfiles/8150/59064DA27E0D44149720D2771320F10E.jpg[/IMG]
Tell me people.
If you have a v6 c320, requiring 2 elements. Would you choose for the dealer to fit OEM Paper on the next service
or - get K&N panel filters.
People keep on posting about the air flow sensor getting contaminated, I spoke to K&N in the UK and also got an email form them, however they basically said it has not actually been known to cause problems with the Meecedes - HOWEVER - not specifically tested on the v6 engines.. (sounds like a cop out to me)
What do you think??
[IMG]local://upfiles/8150/59064DA27E0D44149720D2771320F10E.jpg[/IMG]
#7
01-09-2006, 09:55 PM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
I take all of your points, cost of MB istalling paper on next service 500 miles away is £35 for the pair. Pair of K&N is & £73, so cost is not an issue.
I previously used K&N on a Grand Cherokee V8 5.9L. No probs, and on a Chrysler/Dodge Neon, again no issues.
I referred to the V6 in particular as the is straight through from the grille, unlike most vehicles the airflow pipes bend, so the air is not rammed in, thats why I wondered about oil contamination. This has no bend at all.
With ref to another post: Performance Junkies remark, C320 with a Tank full of gas, and 2 x 6'4" adults each weighing around 250 pounds each, we got 0-60 in 6.2 secs, and that is with less than 1000 miles from the next A service. So my point being, its fater that VW golf GTI and many other so called "HOT HATCHES"
Thanks for the postings guys and girls.
Peter Brooklyn.
I previously used K&N on a Grand Cherokee V8 5.9L. No probs, and on a Chrysler/Dodge Neon, again no issues.
I referred to the V6 in particular as the is straight through from the grille, unlike most vehicles the airflow pipes bend, so the air is not rammed in, thats why I wondered about oil contamination. This has no bend at all.
With ref to another post: Performance Junkies remark, C320 with a Tank full of gas, and 2 x 6'4" adults each weighing around 250 pounds each, we got 0-60 in 6.2 secs, and that is with less than 1000 miles from the next A service. So my point being, its fater that VW golf GTI and many other so called "HOT HATCHES"
Thanks for the postings guys and girls.
Peter Brooklyn.
ORIGINAL: Lugnut
Okay, let's "get real." That argument is both ignorant and lame. MB engineers have to design the intake system to withstand the rigors of everyday driving (varying weather conditions) by everyday people. They don't design high-volume, mass-market cars for performance junkies.
Internal combustion engines are essentially air pumps. When you restrict air input (or output) as the MB engineers do, you restrict efficiency. When you eliminate restrictions, you increase hp. Yes, it's that simple.
If you understand what's behind the K&N design (it's not rocket science) then you should be able to figure out whether you should use one or not. For example, I wouldn't get one if you live three miles down a dusty dirt road. Neither would I cruise at 90 mph on a rainy day with one.
Another consideration is cost. It takes awhile, but the K&N will eventually cost less than replacing paper filters.
Whether or not you get one should be based on personal preference, not scare tactics by people who obviously don't know what they're talking about and are simply echoing something "determined" in an Internet forum. To get the max effect, however, you need to remove other restrictions in the airflow stream.
Be real. Use your head. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Let's be real..... If the engineers at Mercedes Benz could have gained extra HP just by changing an Air Filter, don't you think they would have already done it?
Internal combustion engines are essentially air pumps. When you restrict air input (or output) as the MB engineers do, you restrict efficiency. When you eliminate restrictions, you increase hp. Yes, it's that simple.
If you understand what's behind the K&N design (it's not rocket science) then you should be able to figure out whether you should use one or not. For example, I wouldn't get one if you live three miles down a dusty dirt road. Neither would I cruise at 90 mph on a rainy day with one.
Another consideration is cost. It takes awhile, but the K&N will eventually cost less than replacing paper filters.
Whether or not you get one should be based on personal preference, not scare tactics by people who obviously don't know what they're talking about and are simply echoing something "determined" in an Internet forum. To get the max effect, however, you need to remove other restrictions in the airflow stream.
Be real. Use your head. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
#9
01-11-2006, 08:50 PM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
Thanks for that.
I think I will order a pair up. I think the benefits will out weigh any drawbacks (namely MAF sensor going bad).
BTW, BIKERDREW, On the SLK 320, did you notice any change in the exhaust note, torque etc? [sm=vader.gif]
I think I will order a pair up. I think the benefits will out weigh any drawbacks (namely MAF sensor going bad).
BTW, BIKERDREW, On the SLK 320, did you notice any change in the exhaust note, torque etc? [sm=vader.gif]
#10
01-11-2006, 08:55 PM
RE: K&N v OEM Paper
I'm sure Drew will respond in time.
You're going to hear the intake if anything. No change in exhaust, but possibly air rushing into the intake. Could be close to a howling sound from more air rushing in... and then again, it may just sound the same (no difference).
An air filter change (even removal) won't add enough torque to where you can feel it. Anyone who tells you they can feel it is mistaken. It's merely wishful thinking.
You're going to hear the intake if anything. No change in exhaust, but possibly air rushing into the intake. Could be close to a howling sound from more air rushing in... and then again, it may just sound the same (no difference).
An air filter change (even removal) won't add enough torque to where you can feel it. Anyone who tells you they can feel it is mistaken. It's merely wishful thinking.